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Re: Norway-Class
« Reply #20 on: August 02, 2011, 07:27:47 PM »
Wow... I must have missed all of them! Unless it was just that the USS Defiant was present at all of those events?

Not unless the USS Defiant cloned herself in every single scene where more than 1 Defiant Class was present.
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Re: Norway-Class
« Reply #21 on: August 02, 2011, 07:40:06 PM »
In Call to Arms (DS9 S5 finale) when they join up with the fleet you can see several Defiants even then.

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Re: Norway-Class
« Reply #22 on: August 02, 2011, 08:39:23 PM »
Well, looking at the hull of the Norway, it seems unlikely that it can simply detach a segment and replace it (you know, a segment with astrophysical equipment and labs for a segment with geological equipment and stuff). So I'd go with the pods.

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Re: Norway-Class
« Reply #23 on: August 03, 2011, 05:16:46 AM »
Wow... I must have missed all of them! Unless it was just that the USS Defiant was present at all of those events?

There were two Defiants in MiaB, and that was in 2374 - iirc, the Defiant was preoccupied on the particular stardate of the episode, so there were at least two other Defiants produced besides the Defiant herself and the Valiant. And then in Endgame we see two or three Defiants as well, meaning there had to be at least five produced in total, bare minimum, with a minimum of six being more likely (as it's unlikely that the Defiant happened to be at Earth at the time in Endgame, and even more unlikely that the Defiant was on the Romulan side of the Federation, close enough to intercept the fastest ship in the fleet before it reached the Romulan Neutral Zone, when it was otherwise engaged in fighting a war on the opposite side of the Federation. Given the Defiant's absolutely tiny size (she's smaller than an Oberth class), and the fact that she was probably designed to be mass produced, I'd say there were a whole bunch of them built.
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Re: Norway-Class
« Reply #24 on: August 03, 2011, 12:00:39 PM »
Wow... I must have missed all of them! Unless it was just that the USS Defiant was present at all of those events?

That wouldn't make any sense. It barely makes sense that the Defiant was in First Contact. Except that we can assume there was forwarning as in Best of Both Worlds, giving the Defiant time to reach Earth. The other events shouldn't give that sort of time.
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Re: Norway-Class
« Reply #25 on: August 04, 2011, 05:57:01 AM »
Well, we do know that there was a fair bit of forewarning - enough time for Starfleet to assemble a fleet of ships to intercept the Cube and for the Enterprise to be sent off to the RNZ. How much forewarning is not specified, but it's plausible enough to get the Defiant there (and we know she was present at the very beginning, since it can be heard receiving orders along with the Bozeman just before the Cube hit the fleet's defensive line), and plausible enough that they would want the Defiant there, since the whole purpose of the Defiant project was to build a ship specifically to fight the Borg.

Beyond that, you are correct that it is highly unlikely that the Defiant would just happen to be in the area at the time, especially in MiaB when we know she was busy fighting the Dominion War. So it's most likely that there were at least six Defiant class starships constructed, and probably a fair number more.
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Re: Norway-Class
« Reply #26 on: August 04, 2011, 04:47:23 PM »
I agree.

The Defiant-class is very small, very compact, and very light-manned for a ship it's power. Means it can easily be build in masses.

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Re: Norway-Class
« Reply #27 on: August 05, 2011, 07:41:22 AM »
As shown in Voyager: "Endgame", by that time they had a standing fleet that only took minutes to respond to a Borg threat on Earth. It might be that they had that kind of fleet ready ever since the Wolf 359 fleet failed.  Then again, they might only have that fleet because of First Contact and the Dominion War.
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Re: Norway-Class
« Reply #28 on: August 05, 2011, 11:39:17 AM »
Well, that 'fleet' was only a dozen starships, iirc. There were more on the way, but there were only a dozen starships able to respond immediately to the sudden appearance of a threat on Earth's doorstep. Which makes a certain degree of sense - barring the sudden appearance of a wormhole or similar phenomenon, any hostile force heading for Earth would have to cross half the Federation to get there, putting innumerable ships, starbases, and sensor posts between the borders and Earth, with sensor nets so thick that I doubt even a cloaked fleet could make it all the way to Earth without being detected. I think that Starfleet has taken up a policy of keeping many more ships close to home because of the Dominion War and the Borg Incursions, instead of spreading most of the fleet out exploring hither and yon, but I don't think the number of ships we saw in the immediate vicinity of Earth would have been much different at any other point in time - it wouldn't surprise me in the least to find a dozen starships in the general vicinity of the Sol system, passing through for repairs, refits, crew exchanges, resupply, and a variety of different tasks, capable of responding to an emergency on a moment's notice. I'd honestly expect there to be more, unless the "more on the way" included ships that were in the yards that had to take on crew or be hastily bolted up before they could join a fight.
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Re: Norway-Class
« Reply #29 on: August 12, 2011, 06:28:15 PM »
Wow... I must have missed all of them! Unless it was just that the USS Defiant was present at all of those events?
Not unless the USS Defiant cloned herself in every single scene where more than 1 Defiant Class was present.
In Call to Arms (DS9 S5 finale) when they join up with the fleet you can see several Defiants even then.
There were two Defiants in MiaB, and that was in 2374 - iirc, the Defiant was preoccupied on the particular stardate of the episode, so there were at least two other Defiants produced besides the Defiant herself and the Valiant. And then in Endgame we see two or three Defiants as well, meaning there had to be at least five produced in total, bare minimum, with a minimum of six being more likely (as it's unlikely that the Defiant happened to be at Earth at the time in Endgame, and even more unlikely that the Defiant was on the Romulan side of the Federation, close enough to intercept the fastest ship in the fleet before it reached the Romulan Neutral Zone, when it was otherwise engaged in fighting a war on the opposite side of the Federation. Given the Defiant's absolutely tiny size (she's smaller than an Oberth class), and the fact that she was probably designed to be mass produced, I'd say there were a whole bunch of them built.
That wouldn't make any sense. It barely makes sense that the Defiant was in First Contact. Except that we can assume there was forwarning as in Best of Both Worlds, giving the Defiant time to reach Earth. The other events shouldn't give that sort of time.

5 people misunderstood what I said because I wasn't clear with my point. :? I was referring only to Voyager episodes when I said
[...]all of those events[...]
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Bahh. I communicated my point badly and misinterpreted what someone else said. My bad! Sorry! :) :funny
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