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Norway-Class
« on: July 15, 2011, 12:37:08 AM »
The Norway class aft section seems like it would be well configured to using modular pods.




May not be be canon, but it could certainly fit. 

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Re: Norway-Class
« Reply #1 on: July 15, 2011, 10:19:45 PM »
Haha!  :funny True!
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Re: Norway-Class
« Reply #2 on: July 15, 2011, 11:41:35 PM »
My post was a little silly, but I do think it is a serious possibility. After all, we have only seen the Norway on screen once, and afterwards twice as a graphic. It could certainly carry cargo. Do you dev's have any opinion on this as a possibility? It could use the same principles as MVAM or saucer separation, correct?
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Re: Norway-Class
« Reply #3 on: July 16, 2011, 10:07:50 PM »
Your suggestion has merit, but as it isn't cannon (as far as we know...  :wink: ) then I think a mod may be in order.

It could use the same principles as MVAM or saucer separation, correct?
True, but I would think that it would have its own special option/name. Multi-Vector Assault Mode does what it says on the... lcars panel  :mrgreen: , I don't think that a pod classes as an extra space vehicle to use in a battle. Perhaps DGVCP (deployable ground vehicle containment pod)? You never know.
As I recall, the Norway was designed as a battleship... So what use would it have for these pods? Unless it was adapted for search and rescue missions...

I'm thinking waay too much! Your idea, someone call for the devs! :D
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Re: Norway-Class
« Reply #4 on: July 17, 2011, 03:21:32 AM »
Your suggestion has merit, but as it isn't cannon (as far as we know...  :wink: ) then I think a mod may be in order.
True, but I would think that it would have its own special option/name. Multi-Vector Assault Mode does what it says on the... lcars panel  :mrgreen: , I don't think that a pod classes as an extra space vehicle to use in a battle. Perhaps DGVCP (deployable ground vehicle containment pod)? You never know.
As I recall, the Norway was designed as a battleship... So what use would it have for these pods? Unless it was adapted for search and rescue missions...

I'm thinking waay too much! Your idea, someone call for the devs! :D

Anything said about the Norway is speculation. Very little has been said about it, warship or non-warship.
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Re: Norway-Class
« Reply #5 on: July 17, 2011, 10:46:36 PM »
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As I recall, the Norway was designed as a battleship... So what use would it have for these pods?

Extra weapons suits! :D The nebula combat refit has an extra torpedo arsenal in the pod. With how elongated the pod could be on the norway, it could house 2 decent phaser arcs top, bottom and maybe even extra fore, aft torpedo bays. :D But i do agree i think it would be more of a pod than a MVAM. The interchangeable prospects are amaizing. I never noticed how much the nacell pylons look like a socket. It even looks as if it has the airlock in the right place... I would prob wait for a mod for this. You never know these very comments might lead to someone making it! :D

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Re: Norway-Class
« Reply #6 on: July 18, 2011, 04:12:45 PM »
Anything said about the Norway is speculation. Very little has been said about it, warship or non-warship.
Judging from its weaponry, I think battleship/warship for the conflict with the dominion is a strong possibility. But, if that was the case, after the war, Starfleet may have felt that it needed to adapt it to a more exploratory role. Hence, they add pods! Your idea has the potential to become cannon... :wink:

According to Memory Alpha:-
Armament: Six type-10 phaser emitters; two photon torpedo launchers.
So, it possibly isn't a warship even though it was used in the battle during the second Borg incursion.

Memory Alpha also states that it was in service from the 2370's, which means it was in active service before the Dominion war, so maybe not... :?

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Re: Norway-Class
« Reply #7 on: July 18, 2011, 09:22:28 PM »
Here is a very basic mock-up:



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When I was referring to MVAM, I was only referring to the functionality, i.e. separable parts of a vessel.
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Re: Norway-Class
« Reply #8 on: July 18, 2011, 09:49:04 PM »
When I was referring to MVAM, I was only referring to the functionality, i.e. separable parts of a vessel.
Fair enough.
I must say, you've done quite a good job of making it look like it belongs there. Very sleek, I like it! :)
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Re: Norway-Class
« Reply #9 on: July 18, 2011, 11:29:00 PM »
Judging from its weaponry, I think battleship/warship for the conflict with the dominion is a strong possibility. But, if that was the case, after the war, Starfleet may have felt that it needed to adapt it to a more exploratory role. Hence, they add pods! Your idea has the potential to become cannon... :wink:

According to Memory Alpha:-
Armament: Six type-10 phaser emitters; two photon torpedo launchers.
So, it possibly isn't a warship even though it was used in the battle during the second Borg incursion.

Memory Alpha also states that it was in service from the 2370's, which means it was in active service before the Dominion war, so maybe not... :?

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If she were an Battleship, she'd be bigger, and be more Popular, she's Portably, an Cruiser or Heavy Destroyer.

And Of course, have a much larger weapon compliment

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Re: Norway-Class
« Reply #10 on: July 19, 2011, 08:35:52 AM »
Given the Norway's size and weapon compliment she'd be closer to a Frigate or Light Destroyer rather than the bigger Light Cruisers (Excelsior and Intrepid) and Heavy Destroyers (Steamrunner).
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Re: Norway-Class
« Reply #11 on: July 19, 2011, 12:10:14 PM »
IT's a very small ship, smaller than the Intrepid, it has a flat base and offers little to attack from front and side. This either makes it a patrol-combatant, or a landing ship.
If you go with the pod idea, they could be landing pods with ground troops, they could be medical-camp pods during a crisis, they could be breaching pods with shock troops, the list goes on. In the long run, you can even outfit it to become a cargo-tug.

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Re: Norway-Class
« Reply #12 on: July 19, 2011, 08:57:52 PM »
hmm so you think the Norway dropped the pods for AR-558
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Re: Norway-Class
« Reply #13 on: July 20, 2011, 12:30:14 AM »
Wouldn't put my finger on it, but mayhap.
The Norway is only very small, so it's rather limited in range and likely only works as resupply ship from nearby bases.
AR558 is a planet in the Chin'Toka system, so it's rather close to DS9 (a Federation base afterall), and in the 5 month the Federation held the Chin'Toka system, Norways might just have been the vessels that ran around from there, supplying the depots and stuff.


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Re: Norway-Class
« Reply #14 on: July 20, 2011, 02:50:17 PM »
Given the Norway's size and weapon compliment she'd be closer to a Frigate or Light Destroyer rather than the bigger Light Cruisers (Excelsior and Intrepid) and Heavy Destroyers (Steamrunner).
If she were an Battleship, she'd be bigger, and be more Popular, she's Portably, an Cruiser or Heavy Destroyer.

And Of course, have a much larger weapon compliment
Have you guys seen the Defiant? :)
I know I know, weapons unstable for a ship its size and a million other reasons it is a one off.

Wouldn't put my finger on it, but mayhap.
The Norway is only very small, so it's rather limited in range and likely only works as resupply ship from nearby bases.
AR558 is a planet in the Chin'Toka system, so it's rather close to DS9 (a Federation base afterall), and in the 5 month the Federation held the Chin'Toka system, Norways might just have been the vessels that ran around from there, supplying the depots and stuff.
Nice good, solid theory: very reasonable. I'm inclined to go say that you've probably hit the nail on the head. :)
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Re: Norway-Class
« Reply #15 on: July 21, 2011, 01:49:42 PM »
Meh, the Defiant is like a dwarf. Small and easily overlooked, but surprisingly strong and very bad-tempered if messed with. And it's power issues lessened after O'Brien had a work-over with the whole ship.

According to the DS9TM, it has 6 type X phaser arrays and 2 torpedo launchers. That's about equal to the Mirandas armament, being 6 type-VII phaser banks and 2 pulsed phaser cannons, 2 torpedo tubes, and a bit more than a Sabre-class has, being only four type-X array and 2 launchers.
Thing is, according to the same TM, the Sabre is a Light Cruiser, and both the Miranda and the Norway are Medium Cruisers. For your info, the Intrepid-class is labelled a Heavy Cruiser and the Excelsior an Explorer-type vessel by the TM. Oh and the Steamrunner is labelled a Heavy Frigate, but with the same armament as the Sabre-class...

Funny. Yet, I'd also go with the idea of them being rather small destroyers.

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Re: Norway-Class
« Reply #16 on: July 22, 2011, 10:26:18 AM »
I kind of like the Norway with pods, it seems setup for it with that big greeble between the struts. Although, the rear torpedo tube placement seems to go against that idea, but only partially.

If it's used for pods, I think the struts should have some sort of greeble along the inside surfaces to indicate grippiness. As for pods, maybe a huge cargo pod with an attachment point that fits between the struts, a landing pod like proposed above, and I would for one would love to have a huge phaser pod a lot like the "All Good Things..." Galaxy phaser.

Have you guys seen the Defiant? :)
I know I know, weapons unstable for a ship its size and a million other reasons it is a one off.
The Defiant went into production. Several of them are seen in different episodes in Voyager. The episode with Prometheus, and the final episode.

Meh, the Defiant is like a dwarf. Small and easily overlooked, but surprisingly strong and very bad-tempered if messed with. And it's power issues lessened after O'Brien had a work-over with the whole ship.

According to the DS9TM, it has 6 type X phaser arrays and 2 torpedo launchers. That's about equal to the Mirandas armament, being 6 type-VII phaser banks and 2 pulsed phaser cannons, 2 torpedo tubes, and a bit more than a Sabre-class has, being only four type-X array and 2 launchers.
Thing is, according to the same TM, the Sabre is a Light Cruiser, and both the Miranda and the Norway are Medium Cruisers. For your info, the Intrepid-class is labelled a Heavy Cruiser and the Excelsior an Explorer-type vessel by the TM. Oh and the Steamrunner is labelled a Heavy Frigate, but with the same armament as the Sabre-class...

Funny. Yet, I'd also go with the idea of them being rather small destroyers.

The TM's are fun to read, and to believe in the moment, but they sure are bad with facts and guesses.

The Defiant has it's four pulse phasers, it also has a top and bow beam phaser emitter. It seems like it might have four forward torpedo tubes, and a single rear one. It's an odd setup, but it's fired from all of these locations. I think it's even used the rear tube twice in different episodes.
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Re: Norway-Class
« Reply #17 on: July 22, 2011, 11:06:35 PM »
I see this thread has been moved out the suggestions. I did actually post this as a suggestion and/or question to the devs.
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Re: Norway-Class
« Reply #18 on: July 23, 2011, 03:55:14 AM »
Guys, the Norway's a small ship, but she's not THAT small. She's actually still in the Light Cruiser size range, though on the low end for a modern cruiser. The Norway is ~534,000 cubic meters in volume, compared to the ~625,000 m^3 of the Intrepid and ~642,000 m^3 of the Steamrunner, but this is still large enough to put her into the Light Cruiser category since Starfleet's Destroyers are in the 200,000 - 300,000 m^3 range, like the Saber at 243,000 m^3 and the Freedom at ~320,000 - 350,000 m^3 (with the nacelle taking up some 280,000 m^3 of that). (Smaller frigates like the Nova are around 90,000 m^3, while 'Corvettes' like the Defiant and Oberth are <70,000 m^3 (~62,000 and 66,000, respectively (yes, at 120m, the Defiant is actually smaller than an Oberth)).

Pods make sense given her small size for a modern cruiser, that several other newer Starfleet ships have pods (Akira, New Orleans, Nebula), and the only other ship with a catamaran-style hull like the Norway's (the Akira) has a pod, though I would hesitate to say with certainty that the Norway does have a pod. Either the Norway has the ability to equip mission-specific pods, or she is a very mission-specific cruiser.
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Re: Norway-Class
« Reply #19 on: August 02, 2011, 06:33:45 PM »
[...] The Defiant went into production. Several of them are seen in different episodes in Voyager. The episode with Prometheus, and the final episode.[...]
Wow... I must have missed all of them! Unless it was just that the USS Defiant was present at all of those events?
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