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Re: intrepid
« Reply #40 on: August 26, 2011, 07:06:23 AM »
AKJ, you're using some incorrect ship launch dates. The TNG:TM does indicate that the Galaxy's design phase was decades, but this does not mesh with the on-screen canon, which is superior and overrides the TMs in any conflict, and has the Galaxy class launching in 2363. Furthermore, the Intrepid launched BEFORE 2370. We know that the pathfinder USS Intrepid was in service in 2370, and that her CEO engaged in regular competition with Geordi over reactor efficiency. But the registry number of the Intrepid is NCC-74600, just under 400 numbers higher than the registry of the NX-74205 Defiant, which was designed in 2366. The USS Intrepid likely launched within a year or two of the Defiant, though it may have had a longer development time between the entry of the prototype into the registry and the actual launching of the pathfinder, putting it's launch date somewhere around 2368, not 2370. The Intrepid is really only about 5 years newer than the Galaxy class. To say that the Intrepid outperforms the Galaxy is comparable to saying that a 2010 Ford Focus will outrun a 2005 Ford Mustang. Or better yet, it's like saying that the Worcester class Light Cruiser is comparable to or superior to the Iowa class Battleship because it is five years newer.

The Intrepid is faster than the Galaxy class, and she performs the role of a short- to mid-range Light Cruiser better than the Galaxy class, but one-on-one, an Intrepid is not a match for a Galaxy class in anything but a race.


As for the Sovereign being the successor to the Galaxy... Rick Sternbach himself, one of the ship's designers, has stated that the Sovereign was designed to replace the Excelsior as Starfleet's premier, workhorse Heavy Cruiser, and NOT to replace the Galaxy class as her premier Capital Ship.

Typically, Starfleet ships tend to have a 'primary' lifespan, in which they fill the role they were designed to fill, of about 20-30 years, give or take, and that's about how frequently we see Starfleet produce new ships to replace its premier capital ships.


Oh, and on the advancement of Trek tech, the rapid advancement of computer technology today is a poor judge, because computer tech is not a mature technology. Moore's Law of increasing computer power is not an eternal 'law', it's just a description of the rate of advancement we've been running at, and a rate that we cannot sustain. We have already been running into major walls in the last several years because we're smacking into the limits of what we can do within the laws of physics. The rate of acceleration we're at in computer power is only being sustained today because of gimmicks and tricks that we're rapidly exhausting, and in the next ten to twenty years (at best), barring a major revolution in the very nature of computer technology and how computers work on the fundamental level (i.e. the introduction of quantum computers as a viable system), computer advancement is going to drop from exponential growth to marginal improvements very quickly.

A better tech to compare to is gasoline engines. The performance capabilities of gasoline engines has not really increased drastically in several decades. By WWII, we were already hitting peak horsepower outputs. Later advancements allows a few leaps forward here and there, particularly with the advent of computer tech and increasing electronic controls, but aside from the introduction of fuel injectors, there hasn't been a truly significant advancement in gasoline engine tech in 60 years or more. The rest of it has been marginal increases in performance and a bare handful of special-case advances. That's what you get with mature technologies. And the technologies in Trek are VERY mature. Most of them have been in use for several decades, if not centuries by the TNG era, so rapid leaps forward are going to be very rare.
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Re: intrepid
« Reply #41 on: August 28, 2011, 06:34:57 AM »
You've used a very good example there, :) but no one seems to have properly summarised the differences of the two ships. One is a small, nimble craft designed to be versatile utilising the most modern equipment and technology available (eg, gel packs + bio-neural circuitry). The other is a slightly older (but not by much), dependable vessel which has been in the field, has survived through many scenarios, and has shown it can work. The Galaxy proved it can be depended on time and again. It has a crew that severely outnumbers the Intrepids and (lets be honest and use probability) the increased numbers of crew give it a better ability to adapt: with more crew, comes more expertise, making the ship a much more versatile instrument. However, the shortcomings of the Galaxy may have been it's downfall. The interest the Intrepid caused was bad enough to contest with, if a fully blown Galaxy class rampaged through the delta quadrant, I'm sure some more sinister heads may have turned. The Galaxy is also slower, the cruise speed is (as I recall) nearly 1 factor below the Intrepids, meaning it would take significantly longer to get home.

Overall, this argument is invalid. If a Galaxy class had been the ship trapped in the delta quadrant, there would have been situations where it would have performed better (maybe even avoiding getting trapped) and situations where it would have performed worse (Borg interest would have been much more likely) (even to the point of annihilation).
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Re: intrepid
« Reply #42 on: August 28, 2011, 06:44:18 AM »
Well, about the only enemy VOY faced that wouldn't have been slapped down by a Galaxy class was the Krenim timeship (and that only because of its time weapon) and the Borg, which could have been handled quite easily if the Galaxy's captain didn't pull one of the dumbest moves ever and help the Borg against Species 8472. There were a handful of other one-off baddies that a Galaxy couldn't have slapped down, but those enemies Voyager dealt with handily enough through other means, which the Galaxy would have been just as capable at at least, and probably more capable. The only real disadvantage the Galaxy would have over the Intrepid would be speed. The Intrepid does have a higher sprint and cruise speed, but the Galaxy has another advantage there, as well: Equipment endurance. The Intrepid's small nacelles were not meant for extended operation away from maintenance facilities, where as the Galaxy was expressly designed to be able to perform extended, deep-space missions. Overall, the Galaxy would require fewer lay-overs for maintenance and overhaul, and be better equipped to conduct any such maintenance itself, so the total travel times would be closer on the Galaxy's side. A Galaxy would also spend less time running off course being chased by baddies than an Intrepid.
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