Adonis 10.11.2009 Miranda class

[Mark]

I will make another point on top of Elminsters which is very simple; I used to run a big forum which was full of debates and arguments like this and I would give more allowance for such things there because it was a discussion forum.

Eventually I got tired of all that drama and moved my attention 100% across to this project, my primary role now is not to moderate posts and stop arguments but to actually produce something which I feel is worth while - anything that gets in the way of that is going to get dealt with swiftly because this little forum is for nothing more than polite banter and simple questions between us and whoever is interested.

If you cant live with that then you dont have to post, you dont even have to download the final game. We are creating this for ourselves first and if you guys like it then all the better.

[sman789]

It's amazing, those renders actually look like a real physical model. Just one question though (don't worry it's got nothing to do with minor color differences or whatever they were on about )

Will this be used like Mark said for the Constitution Class in the other topic, that being that it will just be in occasional service here and there and in a few scrapyards, or will it be used more commonly. If I remember correctly, it's supposed to be a little newer than the constitution, from that film with the mad bloke and the evil ear worms? Sorry I don't know much detail about the original series ST universe, just the basics

[Jules]

It's amazing, those renders actually look like a real physical model. Just one question though (don't worry it's got nothing to do with minor color differences or whatever they were on about )

Will this be used like Mark said for the Constitution Class in the other topic, that being that it will just be in occasional service here and there and in a few scrapyards, or will it be used more commonly. If I remember correctly, it's supposed to be a little newer than the constitution, from that film with the mad bloke and the evil ear worms? Sorry I don't know much detail about the original series ST universe, just the basics

Well, DS9 battles where full of Mirandas, so it's a safe bet that they will still be around, but won't go far away from outposts, starbases and so on, and also used as civilian, cargo, transport vessel, or even hospital ships.

[zzz]

We are creating this for ourselves first and if you guys like it then all the better.

*sigh* point no. 3

http://www.moddb.com/mods/resident-evil-counterstrike

As Elm said, this is not the place for discussion. If you would like to PM me about this I would be more than happy to talk with you about it through that medium.

As far as that link goes you are welcome to believe whatever you want, it doesn't make it any more true.

[sman789]

Cool, so more common than constitutions then. TBH I hate the look of the constitution class (not your model, just the whole ship in general on the tv show ect.) I was glad when they changed it on the new film

[Jules]

Cool, so more common than constitutions then. TBH I hate the look of the constitution class (not your model, just the whole ship in general on the tv show ect.) I was glad when they changed it on the new film

The TMP one is a classic of design JJ's one will never become, the new ones proportions are awkward, no thanks, I'd take the genuine article any day over JJ's one. Heck, even any of the main TMP classes (Connie, Miranda, Excels, Constellation, Sydney) are far superior and lasting designs then that disco bulb wannabe. If I'd go with the bulb thing, I'll take the "Close encounters of the 3rd kind" ships.

[sman789]

I do like Excelsiors and Mirandas, especially the latter, because they have a more spaceshippy look to them, and the miranda almost looks like the sports car of spaceships, a little like the sabre from DS9. But the old constitution just doesn't look like a spaceship. And yes, I know, it was produced in the 60s so they couldn't really do that much compared to the later series and the new film, but it just doesn't look like something I would ever want to explore space in. Although when they redid the models for the TOS films (not the new one the old ones), they did look a lot better and more futuristic, and yours seems to be based more on those film ones too, right?

[furswift]

The TMP one is a classic of design JJ's one will never become, the new ones proportions are awkward, no thanks, I'd take the genuine article any day over JJ's one. Heck, even any of the main TMP classes (Connie, Miranda, Excels, Constellation, Sydney) are far superior and lasting designs then that disco bulb wannabe. If I'd go with the bulb thing, I'll take the "Close encounters of the 3rd kind" ships.

Amen, brother.

[Jules]

I do like Excelsiors and Mirandas, especially the latter, because they have a more spaceshippy look to them, and the miranda almost looks like the sports car of spaceships, a little like the sabre from DS9. But the old constitution just doesn't look like a spaceship. And yes, I know, it was produced in the 60s so they couldn't really do that much compared to the later series and the new film, but it just doesn't look like something I would ever want to explore space in. Although when they redid the models for the TOS films (not the new one the old ones), they did look a lot better and more futuristic, and yours seems to be based more on those film ones too, right?

Aha, a little heads up:
TOS = The Old Series
TAS = The Animated Series
TOSR = The Old Series Revamped
TMP = The Movie Era
LE = Lost Era (The 78 year gap in ST: Generations *hint* Ambassador class*hint*)
TNG = The Next Generation
Ent = Star Trek: Enterprise

Now, let's continue now that you know what is what  The TOS one is the first, the source, the original, it's outside any discussion, period.

The TMP Connie (that I made a model of) is a design classic that the JJ's one will never become, out of the simple reason that this one came first

Also, the old movies (especially the first two I'm thinking about here) have something the new one isn't: A slow paced fusion of poetry of motion and mix of picture and music to die for. A timeless movie that's like this came out of Stanley Kubrick's genius, it's called 2001: A Space Odyssey. Another thing ST2009 will never be. Trek is known for it's music, without it, it wouldn't be Trek, period. Same can be said for the other 4 major SF/F franchises.

The Excelsiors elegance is why she's one of my fav ST designs alongside the Galaxy's Venture variant. The Miranda is a light cruiser and with the Oberth makes a departure from the usual saucer-neck-sec hull-nacelles design philosophy.

[sillysimo]

  Look at that model! She looks sweeter than a honey baked ham. Well done Adonis. The work you guys are doing is amazing, and regardless of certain attention needy folk who want the video game they've been dreaming of for years, I will be happy to play a command and rts that looks this good in the original Trek universe.

The miranda was always one of my favorites. Something sleak and sexy about a downsized model that saw it's beginnings with the original Matt Jeffries connie design. And as far as pinpoint accuracy, as long as I can chase Kirk past Antares Maelstrom and through perdition's flame, then I'm game.

[szekeres2008]

I love the model, it is amazing, I also like the clever use bump maps wherever possible, it can greatly decrease the poly count and still looks very detailed. Can't wait to see some more TMP era ships by you Adonis. 

[Bones]

This Miranda is simply outstanding I love hull color, this mix makes it look like straight from big screen

As for that thruster-light argument, there are two lights on Connie nacelles per each nacelle, one facing centre of the ship illuminates saucer rim ( somwhere around windows as seen in TMP/TWOK) and the other which is obviously bigger, faces outer side and is not illuminating any part of the hull is IMHO thruster (it would be logical to put it there althou I'm no expert in this matter )

Again great work

[nerivon]

As far as I'm concerned, this is their project, and if you're not contributing to it directly, then express your opinion, cross your fingers and let the team actually doing the work do it. They're doing a better job than most paid productions are doing.

Personally, I think this model looks excellent, and I can't wait to see the next work. As far as the fine details go, where thrusters are, etc. I don't really give a damn if i see a thruster or two in an illogical place, I'd rather see little inaccuracies and a completed game, than have the team bogged down figuring out where thrusters go on their models. Period.

Awesome work guys , keep it up!

[farshot]

Two details jump at me immediately, the nacelles shouldn't have the light holes of the Constitution class under the tips of the nacelles. That detail was not added to any of the models.

http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/memoryalpha/en/images/thumb/d/d4/USS_Sitak_and_USS_Majestic_hit.jpg/450px-USS_Sitak_and_USS_Majestic_hit.jpg
http://www.startrek.com/imageuploads/200510/mov-002-miranda-class/320x240.jpg
http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/File:Uss_saratoga_2367_fore.jpg
http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/File:USS_Majestic,_firing_phasers.jpg
http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/File:USS_Reliant.jpg
http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/memoryalpha/en/images/7/78/USS_Majestic%2C_firing_phasers.jpg

Secondly the lower dome should glow. In DS9, we see the domes of both Miranda ships in this image glowing.

Now that I've seen that picture highlighted red above, I'm sure about one thing - that one part on the sides of the nacelles is orange. Sorry for ever doubting you Adonis, your ships are worthy of this project by far.